Other People’s Podcasts 0077 – The Survival Podcast: Sustainable Civilization Lessons From Poverty Point Louisiana
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“But Great One! Anarchy has never been tried before! How can it possibly work!”
How can it work? You mean like statism, which has been tried at least 500 times, has worked so well?
This episode is a good look at what might have been an anarcho-capitalism society.
Ancapadise can happen. It just can’t happen if stupid people are allowed in.
Recently I have been doing lot of study and research into ancient North America cultures. I have taken particular interest in the first true cities in North America and they are far older than many of us are told and taught in school. They are also far more grand.
The oldest large and well preserved city (my word for it) in North America is today known as “Poverty Point” and you can go visit it in Northeast Louisiana. This settlement was very advanced, had massive trade networks with other locations. It was built 3500 years ago and was at its peak about 3000 years ago. More impressive this settlement was about 900 acres in size and supported 4,000 – 5,000 inhabitants.
More there is no real evidence of “agriculture” at this location. The diet of the people was classic “hunter gatherer” consisting of game, fish, reptiles and shell fish for protein sources. They is also a lot of evidence of wild plants and mast crops being harvested from this location.
While today’s episode will not be about this settlement I will use it as a launch pad to explain how sustainable a civilization without agriculture can be while not limiting population to what we would call “clan” or “tribal” populations. What Poverty Point shows us is a true hunter gatherer civilization complete with art, engineering, entertainment, a division of labor and a general peaceful existence with little sign of warfare. At a time by the way when warfare was far more common than many of the romanticized stories of first peoples indicate.
This location is also the site of one of the oldest known pyramids on the planet and the civilization lasted for over 1,000 years. It was clearly “master planned” and allowed a population of 5,000 to live well on an area again of only 900 acres. Clearly there is something we can learn from this as we conduct our thought experiment today.
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I watched this thing about houses made out of trash that people are doing, and it actually seems real smart in the long run. It’s almost everything Spirko is harping on about when he talks about building communities out of local materials.
Just imagine what could be done with enough people living like this.